1. After reading The Odyssey and viewing Troy, did your view of Odysseus' character change? Why?
2. What makes a good leader? Use examples from the two sources to back your claim.
3. Why do you suppose students are still reading the Illiad (which is the epic poem Troy is based off of) and The Odyssey in schools across America?
4. Write a reaction of your own about the film and/or The Odyssey.
2. What makes a good leader? Use examples from the two sources to back your claim.
ReplyDeleteA quality that makes a good a leader is respect for your men. In the movie Troy, Hector is such a respected leader because he greatly values all his men's lives. While Agamemnon says he doesn't care if 40,000 of his men lose their lives as long he is able to defeat Troy.
Another important trait is courage. I think it is important for the leader to go on the front lines fighting side by side with his men. We can see Hector fighting on the front lines defeating Ajax and fighting Achilles. While the Greek kings let their men do the fighting and reap the rewards simply because they are the king.
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ReplyDelete1. After reading The Odyssey and viewing Troy, did your view of Odysseus' character change? Why?
ReplyDeleteMY view of him did not change, I thought he would have had more to do with the war then what they showed in the movie. But other than that he was portrayed exactly the same in my opinion.
I agree
Deletei feel you are right because they portrayed him the same way
Delete1. After reading The Odyssey and viewing Troy, did your view of Odysseus' character change? Why?
ReplyDeleteWhen reading the odyssey, I noticed that odysseus was very cocky and acted like he was the best fighter, and the best king of all time. And after the odyssey, Odysseus, and his opinion on himself changed rapidly because he learned that he is not as good, great, and amazing as he thinks he is. This happened because Poseidon was disrespected by Odysseus, and after that Poseidon made it very clear to Odysseus to never disrespect the gods
I agree with how Odysseus was cocky in the epic, but you never talked about if your view of him changed or not after the movie
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ReplyDelete4. Write a reaction of your own about the film and/or The Odyssey
ReplyDeleteI really liked troy and how it portrayed achilles in how in the beginning he was this super cocky dude who did not listen to anybody but odysseus and how he changed over the course of the movie. I also liked how they portrayed agamemnon as a powerful warlord type character who wanted nothing but power and all he used was brute force until odysseus used his cunning mind to defeat the trojans.
I agree, I really like how achilles changed throughout the whole movie. Achilles was one of the most interesting characters.
DeleteI agree. I like how the characters balance each other out.
Deletethe characters are very described i agree
Delete1. After reading The Odyssey and viewing Troy, did your view of Odysseus' character change? Why? My view of Odysseus changed a little because in the Odyssey, Odysseus gets portrayed as an intelligent person and had some tricks up his sleeve(like the Trojan Horse trick). On the other hand, he is taught of as arrogant like the time he yelled his name to the cyclops. In Troy, he didn't seem as arrogant as he did in The Odyssey. Overall he was humble in the movie and sometimes gave great advice to achilles. He seemed like a really good guy that got punished brutally later.
ReplyDeleteI agree on how Odysseus seemed different from the Odyssey. He is shown as a more caring and smart person in the movie, while he is conceited in the Odyssey.
DeleteI completely agree with you, the movie really surprised me with its portrayal of Odysseus. In the movie, I saw Odysseus as more of a wise fatherly figure while the book made me think of him as a arrogant young adult.
Delete1. After reading The Odyssey and viewing Troy, did your view of Odysseus' character change? Why?
ReplyDeleteMy view of Odysseus changed about how in the Odyssey, he was portrayed as an arrogant proud man, who didn't respect anyone, even the gods. In the movie he was more of a servant than a king, and was shown as another minion of Agamemnon.
4. Write a reaction of your own about the film and/or The Odyssey.
ReplyDeleteI really liked the film and how Achilles gradually changes. Even though Troy was the enemy, the movie made me feel sorry for them since everything basically started because Helen ran away with Paris. Also, it portrays Agamemnon as a selfish king that only fought for power.
I agree. I also really like how Achilles was just fighting for no one in the beginning and in the end, he started to fight for his love.
DeleteIn the end Achilles fought for the same reason Paris fought.
DeleteI also wanted the trojans to win, mainly because Menelaus and Agamemnon were too greedy like you said.
Delete2. What makes a good leader? Use examples from the two sources to back your claim.
ReplyDeleteA good leader is one who is willing to fight for his people and friends. Hector fought with his man during the battle. He also fought for his brother, Paris when Paris was defeated by Menelaus. Another trait that a good leader has is that they would recognize and try to fix their mistake themselves instead of having someone else do it for them. When Hector realized that it was not Achilles who he had just killed, he refused to stay inside. He went outside of the wall and fought Achilles directly instead of telling his army to kill him.
i agree on how a leader has to take responsibility for their actions and even others at times because a lot of other people are putting their trust in them and they have to live up to their expectations(at least in this case).
DeleteI agree with Lucy. Hector was presented as a good and powerful leader in the movie, and this is evident in the way that he is willing to take responsibility for killing Achilles' cousin. He was stood up for what he believed in and did not flee at the sight of trouble.
Delete1. After reading The Odyssey and viewing Troy, did your view of Odysseus' character change? Why?
ReplyDeleteMy view of Odysseus' character changed a lot after watching Troy. When I read the Odyssey, I interpreted his character as a cocky, cunning king. But while watching Troy, Odysseus seemed much more like a calm soldier.
I agree with you that he was full of himself in the Odyssey and that in the movie he was far more under control. I hadn't thought of that in my response.
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DeleteI agree. Odysseus' cocky character wasn't portrayed in Troy as it did in the Odyssey. He was more of a mentor to Achilles than being a hero himself.
Delete4. Write a reaction of your own about the film and/or The Odyssey.
ReplyDeleteI felt that the film was made in a generic movie style where Menelaus died when in the book he didn't and Helen returned back to him. I felt like it wasn't absolutely necessary for him to die.
1.After reading The Odyssey and viewing Troy, did your view of Odysseus' character change? Why?
ReplyDeleteOdysseus in the Odyssey could be described as prideful, stubborn, and a little quick to act. But in the movie Troy, Odysseus was calm, actually had some sort of emotion, and definitely seemed to be a little more sane. What makes this Odysseus(the one from the movie) different from the one in the original story is how much more relatable and human like he seems. I almost forgot that Odysseus from the movie was suppose to be "between the humans and the Gods" because he seemed to care about Achilles and want to take responsibility for him.
I appreciate that you acknowledged the fact that Odysseus was a completely different character.
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I agree about how Odysseus was a little more sane in the movie and that he was more relatable to a human
DeleteIn the book, Odysseus was brash, and incredibly inconsiderate, exhibited by his infidelity to his wife (he displays this trait numerous times) and when he jeers at Polyphemus as he sails away, which results in making Poseidon, the lord of the sea and an almighty god, curse his voyage, which, big surprise, endangers not only his life but the lives of his crew. This shows an impulsive and incredibly dangerous behavior where he does not deliberate about the consequences of his actions, and ends up forcing him, among others, to pay the price(s) that results from his poor decision-making skills.However, in the film, he is a very noble leader with what seems a very considerate attitude, almost the antithesis of what he was in the Odyssey. He is a wonderful leader with vigor and drive, and serves to protect his kingdom and all of Greece, instead of the glory-seeking attitude he constantly exhibits in the book. While his cleverness is portrayed in both works, it seems that the cleverness in the movie is more defined as he adopts a deliberative attitude as he ponders the results of his actions, which, in this case are executed quite nicely and with little fault (Trojan Horse). My view of him, however, has not morphed in any way, because the movie industry likes to portray its protagonists in a positive fashion in order to inspire admiration from its spectators. I suppose that I will have to read the Iliad in order to have a more concise view of his personality.
ReplyDeleteIn the case that my name does not show up, it is Haley who is saying this.
Thank you Haley, your name didn't show up.
Delete1. After reading The Odyssey and viewing Troy, did your view of Odysseus' character change? Why?
ReplyDeleteWhen viewing Odysseus in the Odyssey, he is portrayed as a proud and arrogant man that was was also very cunning. He also acted very snobby because he was a King and in the greek society, kings were between the humans and the gods. But while viewing Odysseus in the Movie, Troy, his personality was more closer to a human that has feelings and emotions instead of a god. These traits were shown when he acted as a servant to Agamemnon and cared about Achilles.
4. Write a reaction of your own about the film and/or The Odyssey.
ReplyDeleteI do not believe that the film did justice to the Iliad. The main problem with the movie was that is greatly changed the epic: neither Menelaus nor Agamemnon were supposed to be killed; however, it was interesting to see the Trojan War through the eyes of the Trojan and not the Greeks.
I also felt as if the plot line had been changed too much. A subsequent movie documenting the Odyssey would not logistically work, as Menelaus would have to still be alive in it. (Also, Achilles didn't go to the underworld, and the war only lasted for like a month.)
DeleteI still enjoyed the movie, though.
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ReplyDeleteOdysseus' character was shown very differently in the movie than in his portrayal in the Odyssey. Although Odysseus does change during the course of the latter work, his personality is still characterized by a general sense of pride and superiority. In the beginning of the Odyssey, Odysseus is (also) careless and lacking in foresight (as shown, for instance, by the remarks he directed at Polyphemus after he had blinded the giant). In addition, Odysseus also seems to be unable to listen to the advice of others. An example of this is his repeated disregarding of his crew members' warnings.
However, the Odysseus shown in the movie Troy is painted in stark contrast. His more likable qualities are highlighted, namely, his intelligence and way with words. (This is shown when he convinces Achilles to fight for Agamemnon.) The most obvious change in Odysseus' character, however, is his developed sense of humility. He does Agamemnon's bidding in going to recruit Achilles, but also interacts with Achilles in a friendly, non-threatening, humble manner.
Perhaps the Greeks' victory against Troy, which can be almost entirely credited to Odysseus, gave him the excessive pride we see in him in the Odyssey.
1. After reading The Odyssey and viewing Troy, did your view of Odysseus' character change? Why?
ReplyDeleteOdysseus's personality is portrayed differently in the movie compared to the Odyssey. In the movie, Odysseus wasn't really focused on a lot, where the attention was mainly on Achilles. In the Odyssey, Odysseus acts to have more power and greater/stronger than ordinary people. However in "Troy", he merely acts as someone being ordered around by a superior. In addition, the movie didn't really imply heavily that the greeks won the war because of the wooden horse trick devised by Odysseus. It seemed more like Achilles was the ace on the greek's side.
After watching Troy, my view of Odysseus changed a lot. In the movie, the Greeks were portrayed as the bad guys and only Achilles (and at times Odysseus) seemed good while in the Odyssey, the view that was more neutral making Paris and the Trojans look slightly like villains. I felt like the movie didn't make Odysseus the hero he was made in the story and made Achilles the center of attention. My view of Odysseus was less of that he was a hero and more of that he was just the average soldier. There were very few scenes of him fighting and being of much importance. The main scene where Odysseus thinks to use the giant wooden horse to gets past the Trojan Walls gave very little credit to Odysseus. The movie scene just showed men gathering wood and him thinking for a few seconds. Also in the movie, Odysseus is a middle man between Agamemnon and Achilles, which makes him seem of a servant of both Agamemnon. When Odysseus delivers messages between the two he seems like he is blindly serving under Agamemnon and isn't really questioning his orders, whereas Achilles is always questioning Agamemnon's orders. Despite all of this, this movie does make him very important in keeping the bond between Achilles and the Greeks. All in all I thought that the movie Troy had a large impact on the way I now see Odysseus.
ReplyDelete1. After reading The Odyssey and viewing Troy, did your view of Odysseus' character change? Why?
ReplyDeleteAfter reading The Odyssey and viewing Troy, my view of Odysseus' character changed a lot. While reading The Odyssey, I imagined Odysseus as a smart and self-centered king; in Troy, he was more of a bridge between Achilles and the Greek kings (especially Agamemnon and Menelaus). His contributions to winning the Trojan War was lessened because Troy showed the war as a few weeks while the real war was 10 years long.
1. In the book, Odysseus was brash, and incredibly inconsiderate, exhibited by his infidelity to his wife (he displays this trait numerous times) and when he jeers at Polyphemus as he sails away, which results in making Poseidon, the lord of the sea and an almighty god, curse his voyage, which, big surprise, endangers not only his life but the lives of his crew. This shows an impulsive and incredibly dangerous behavior where he does not deliberate about the consequences of his actions, and ends up forcing him, among others, to pay the price(s) that results from his poor decision-making skills.However, in the film, he is a very noble leader with what seems a very considerate attitude, almost the antithesis of what he was in the Odyssey. He is a wonderful leader with vigor and drive, and serves to protect his kingdom and all of Greece, instead of the glory-seeking attitude he constantly exhibits in the book. While his cleverness is portrayed in both works, it seems that the cleverness in the movie is more defined as he adopts a deliberative attitude as he ponders the results of his actions, which, in this case are executed quite nicely and with little fault (Trojan Horse). My view of him, however, has not morphed in any way, because the movie industry likes to portray its protagonists in a positive fashion in order to inspire admiration from its spectators. I suppose that I will have to read the Iliad in order to have a more concise view of his personality.
ReplyDeleteIn the case that my name does not show up, it is Haley who is saying this
i agree good claim
Delete. After reading The Odyssey and viewing Troy, did your view of Odysseus' character change? Why? Nothing changed because everything that was said was exactly right and also form the film and book
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